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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.14 12:04:00 -
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 Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Lasers are fine.
What people are really complaingin about is:
Scorch M/L
But imo they are ok, its just other T2 ammo that bites so hard.
As someone with large energy turrets 5/BS 5 - no. Too much damage at too much range with too much tracking at these optimals.
I think is only too much tracking. Good range and damage are not overpowered if you have a well defined weakness. Before the 25% tracking boost, any ship could easily outtrack laser when at under half its optimal.
Nerfing scorch range would only REMOVE FLAVOR from game. So its not the solution. Better is to keep its main flavor and adjust the rest.
And is not liek if lasers suddenly became overpowered. Not long ago they were considered crap.
The thing is eve moved into a type of combat with many more ships. Even small gangs now have 15+ ships. And when this level of firepower is present, then RANGE >>> everything else
Want to FIX lasers AND blasters at same time? Find a way to promote SMALLER SCALE PVP. PRojectiles are another story and need a miracle...
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.14 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
They're not fine. They outdamage blasters well within web range, and they do it outside of web range. They leave battleship blasters nearly without a role. And that's neglecting projectiles which are just taking it up the ass.
Really, there are two 'top tier' weapons platforms (and this isn't by a "small" margin):
- Lasers
- Torps
-Liang
be fair.. you are comparing t2 ammo with a tracking penalty. The megatron could fit range mods and falloff rigs and use antimatter for a better result than that ( since you are already fitting a rig that is NOT likely to be on any abaddon.
Not saying lasers could not get a small reduction on tracking, but that your presentation of the fact is a bit unfair.
Now would be possible to see a graph of a Megatron with Antimatter (1 trackign rig) vs abaddon with MF on Mega Pulse..(1 tracking rig) vs abaddon without trackign rigs?
That would represent current mega vs current abaddon.. to a hypotetical abaddon if Lasers got a 15% tracking nerf....
I think that is a good target for an annalysis. We need to be careful to not overdo things. or CCP might throw ammar back into stone age as they did with the first lasers nerf looong ago.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:26:00 -
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Liang, won quote you becauxse that post has too many sub quotes to fix and deal with :
But The point is a reasonable fit abaddon should win against a megatron if fight starts at average range. You cannot base balance also on a setup that is NOT gonna exist in eve ( tracking rigs instead of trimarks).
If abaddon would Loose ALWAYS to a megatron solo.. then why would anyone fly an abaddon solo? Things should not be ABSOLUTE in eve.
Blaster ships should win most of the close range fights, but should be ****d if they start the fight too far away. That is the main tradeoff. Blaster ships should rip a close range hac that decides to engage the megatron.... while the abaddon should be killed by the hac (due to tracking). Think the best way to achieve that is to return pulse lasers tracking to their old values. If you reduce range, pulse laser loose their flavor.. and that is not what eve needs! If you reduce damage, then they risk becoming purely crap against an armor tanked minmatar ship.
Also the theoretical combat you have described, includes drones and resists? Because although reduced since the EM resist changes, lasers still face a moderately higher resist against MOST PVP targets, and megatron can disha lot of explosive damage with besearkers.
Still an evidence that tracking can still be exploited is, last week I had a 1 vs 1 against an armageddon, while in my AB tempest (yes you call lol, I call it perfectly valid since made me win). With 1 track disruptor (with bad skills) and AB web and scrambler I was able to out-track the pulses ENOUGH so that a single lar was tanking 100% of the incoming damage.
Just increase this a bit and things will be alright.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
A lot of minmatar hate being thrown around.
I'd like to remind everyone that the rupture is capable of 500 dps, and that arties alpha higher then any other weapons platform.
But you know, according to everyone (Liang and Astro) projectiles suck.
Now check why basically ALL The threads about projectiles have the word LARGE written on them....
then check that rupture has nothing LARGE about it.
Medium AC are great and medium arties are okish. Even CCp admited that large projectiles have issues.
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